Talk:List of first-level administrative divisions by area

Why are people removing all the subdivisions that have an area below 200,000 km²?

Recently we've been adding a lot if subdivisions in this page, going all the way into Nenets, with around ~170,000 km², but I have been seeing attempts to remove all those subdivisions and only leave the ones with an area more than 200,000 km², why?

I mean, I don't see any cons on putting administrative regions below 200,000 km², in fact, I only see pros, since there can be more variety in this page to keep who is seeing more interested, your typical Chinese, American, Brazillian, Russian and Canadian subdivisions make most of this list, and subdivisions between 200,000 km² and 150,000 km² include more Mexican, Algerian, Angolan subdivisions and etc.

My point here is, what is so problematic about adding these administrative regions below 200,000 km² that you guys keep removing it? Daniboy0826 (talk) 20:16, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

@Daniboy0826: This article cannot hold every single administrative division, I established a baseline at 200,000 km² to limit the amount of administrative divisions we can list on this particular article. We can make companion articles for lists of subdivisions that have smaller areas. I will admit that I chose the limit 200,000 km² not because it was important, but because it was the closest "clean number" that was completed. I apologize for not speaking to you sooner, as you have made tremendous contributions to this article. I'll stop trying to impose the 200,000 km² limit, and instead I'll let you add subdivisions until this article reaches 100,000 bytes, when we reach that, we will round up or round down to the nearest "clean number" (btw clean numbers means numbers like 200,000, 150,000, 100,000, etc). Thank you for posting this discussion, without it I would not have stopped to realize the mistake I was making! – Treetoes023 (talk) 21:56, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Things I would like to say:

• Thank you, you're cool. :)

• I also just happen to notice the mistake I was doing trying to put every single First-Level Administrative Region in the world here, it would probably take down my point of "making this page more intuitive to a normal Wikipedia user" with too much information at once. As you stated, when the limit of 100,000 bytes is achieved, it's going to be better for me, you and everybody else that I stop.

• I think we can both agree that the Second-Level Subdivision List alredy has its own article, so it doesn't belong here, I removed it in my latest update. Daniboy0826 (talk) 22:29, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't know about 200,000 km², but I think we we should remove subdivisions that have an area below 100,000 km². 100,000 km² is less than the lots of countries in Europe. As for me, I'm from Russia, it's very funny to see Kemerovo Oblast (95,500 km²), Altai Republic (92,903 km²), Chelyabinsk Oblast (87,900 km²) and other small regions of Russia. Saratov Oblast with 100,200 km² square - it's only 33th rank of Russian subdivisions (Russia contain ~88 subdivisions). So about half of Russian regions is here, it's really funny =). Should we have 40(!) of the 50 US states on this list? 80% of all US states! Let's list everything, haha...Especially one like Maine. Yes, the largest country subdivisions are from Russia, Australia, Canada, Brazil, China, United States but it's not a reason to artificially add other countries with 80000+km² subdivisions. This version seemes for be to be better. However 100,000 km² is, imho, better decision - the list will countain Lapland (which is ~half of Finland), Sarawak, England, New York State, Bashkortostan, La Pampa and West Kalimantan - well known and important subdivisions in the world. I thought about the border 150,000 km² - but in this version the above mention subdivisions will be removed. Brateevsky ^{(talk to me)} 10:54, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Second summary table feels arbitrary

Do we really need the second summary table at the bottom? It ranks countries by the number of subdivisions they have on the page (which lists the top 380), which is a completely arbitrary bar to meet. If the list were longer, eventually Slovenia and its 212 občine would pull out on top, just because it has the most total subdivisions. Why do we need this table at all? I could understand if it included number of subdivisions within a certain size range, but right now it's completely silly. iRDM 05:21, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Area

To help reduce clutter: Instead of stating the unit of area (square kilometer, km²) at the top of each table; how about we just state, at the top of the relevant column, "Area (km²)", so that we don't hav to keep stating the unit? Solomonfromfinland (talk) 00:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Australian divisions and rank within state

Something is off about the Australian states. The table lists Western Australia as the second-largest subdivision in the world, but then also lists it as the second-largest within Australia. Surely it should be #1 within Australia? All the other Australian states that follow are also one rank lower down than they should be within that column. 66.223.242.150 (talk) 18:00, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

The table appears to have been edited to partially correct the mistake, but only as far as the Northern Territory (3rd largest within Australia). After that, South Australia is still listed as 5th largest in Australia but should be 4th; and New South Wales is listed as 6th largest in Australia but should be 5th. 86.24.76.77 (talk) 11:12, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Why does Greenland count?

It shouldn't. 2601:249:1A80:22E0:19FD:35F3:76E4:96F9 (talk) 16:26, 26 October 2024 (UTC)